MORE: twitter: Trouteaud: "Craigslist [adult] ads received three times the response of similar ads posted with a competitor, Backpage" http://bit.ly/dr7Aqm 4 minutes ago via web
re: prior; Trouteaud: 47 percent still wanted to proceed even after learning the girls were minors -Schapiro Group study of craigslist adult 3 minutes ago via web (5th paragraph from bottom)
that has been my belief for a long time and looks like they are coming up with evidence: Alex Trouteaud "Craigslist ads received three times the response of similar ads posted with a competitor, Backpage"(4th paragraph from bottom)
Showing posts with label San Francisco Cronicle. Show all posts
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Thursday, May 20, 2010
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
is Craig Newmark honestly asking for suggestions?
Twitter: Craig Newmark: http://bit.ly/cxlgsl what should craigslist do?do NOTprofit from erotic/adult/prostitution as promised hand over all$ to AGs 9 minutes ago via web
..and let them do as they will with it! let them get together with the relevant orgs and figure out what should be done and go along with it 8 minutes ago via web
..and let them do as they will with it! let them get together with the relevant orgs and figure out what should be done and go along with it 8 minutes ago via web
Monday, January 25, 2010
(craigslist ownership) has Craig Newmark sold all his shares in craigslist?
MORE: @zennie62 if you truly believe [Craig Newmark] "is no longer the owner" of craigslist, you are little more than his lousy stenographer -bye! about 23 hours ago from web
was meant as a reply to this
STILL MORE: @elretrovisor right! they haven't figured out how to pocket 80% of the profits and hide that from people (see the ebay v. craigslist suit) 27 minutes ago from web in reply to elretrovisor
EVEN MORE: @zennie62 Zennie, it's kind of late in the game to continue to be duped by Craig... ~Delia (http://bit.ly/7vKw39) about 7 hours ago from web in reply to zennie62
MORE: Twitter: (craigslist ownership) has Craig Newmark sold all his craigslist shares or is this just his regular ambiguousBS? http://bit.ly/61Il6G ~Delia about 8 hours ago from web
... or is this just his regular ambiguous BS?
"is no longer the owner" (2nd paragraph, end of 2nd to last sentence)
looks like Zennie 62 was very likely duped into thinking that by Craig's seemingly intentional ambiguity and failure to clarify -- I would have expected people to wisen up after the ebay v. craigslist suit exposed plenty of Craig Newmark's secrets but looks like nothing much has changed...
Delia
P.S. very likely, Craig is just not the *sole* owner (as in not *the* owner) of craigslist (as, on paper, he has not been in a very long time) but he continues to hold the most shares as the ebay v. craigslist law suit made fairly clear. D.
was meant as a reply to this
STILL MORE: @elretrovisor right! they haven't figured out how to pocket 80% of the profits and hide that from people (see the ebay v. craigslist suit) 27 minutes ago from web in reply to elretrovisor
EVEN MORE: @zennie62 Zennie, it's kind of late in the game to continue to be duped by Craig... ~Delia (http://bit.ly/7vKw39) about 7 hours ago from web in reply to zennie62
MORE: Twitter: (craigslist ownership) has Craig Newmark sold all his craigslist shares or is this just his regular ambiguousBS? http://bit.ly/61Il6G ~Delia about 8 hours ago from web
... or is this just his regular ambiguous BS?
"is no longer the owner" (2nd paragraph, end of 2nd to last sentence)
looks like Zennie 62 was very likely duped into thinking that by Craig's seemingly intentional ambiguity and failure to clarify -- I would have expected people to wisen up after the ebay v. craigslist suit exposed plenty of Craig Newmark's secrets but looks like nothing much has changed...
Delia
P.S. very likely, Craig is just not the *sole* owner (as in not *the* owner) of craigslist (as, on paper, he has not been in a very long time) but he continues to hold the most shares as the ebay v. craigslist law suit made fairly clear. D.
Friday, March 6, 2009
(prostitution) is craigslist "knowingly promoting and facilitating prostitution"?
EVEN MORE: best Twitter exchanges from yesterday were from
farhanmemon...
@ricksanchezcnn What your guest is essentially saying is that Craigslist and Craig Newmark are running a fence for prostitution.
craignewmark @ricksanchezcnn Some honesty regarding the Cook County thing: http://tinyurl.com/arvfb4
farhanmemon @craignewmark I think you're on shaky ground on this. You've set up a marketplace for human traffiking. The law may have to be changed.@craignewmark Read your "honest approach" Arg not compelling The facts on the ground: your system is being used for illegal underage sex@craignewmark True or false -- Prostitution is illegal? True or false -- CL has ads for prostitutes (True True).@craignewmark The law will shield digital media for only so long. Congress will get righteous and change the law esp. for human traffiking@craignewmark I have a law degree. Twit too short for analysis. Even if law shields you today may not continue as such if you don't clean up@craignewmark I'm defending VAWA immigrants against deportation. Know anyone in DHS?@craignewmark All I am saying is that CL is a marketplace for human traffiking like it or not. By creating "erotic" category you opened door@craignewmark Don't know anyone in power? You know the daddy mac...Obama.@LawProf You're right which is why CL needs to clean up act by policing erotic category.@craignewmark Your problem is following the advice of cops in good faith in one jurisdiction will not shield you from liability in another.@craignewmark Craig imagine your liability (you personally and CL) if a teenage prostitute gets murdered by a John who found her on CL?@craignewmark PS None of what I am saying should be thought of as legal advice. I'm sure you have plenty of lawyers working overtime.MORE: Twitter:
why do best things happen that odd day when you go to a wedding? (great developments on Twitter re:craigslist yesterday); we'll see if there is some spark left for today D
@ricksanchezcnn congratulation on your talk with Dart! (just saw the transcript) your Twitter reference gave a very different impression...D
STILL MORE: Twitter:
@ricksanchezcnn the question is whether or not craigslist is "knowingly promoting and facilitating prostitution"? http://tinyurl.com/8zdfft
EVEN MORE: Twitter:
is craigslist "knowingly promoting and facilitating prostitution"? http://tinyurl.com/8zdfft
MORE: it's disappointing to see how little critical thinking went into this article but on the positive side it does bring to light some good info (packaged neatly in all of two paragraphs...):
(8th and 9th paragraphs):
"Dart said the agreement between Craigslist and the attorneys general has resulted in *no appreciable reduction of ads for prostitution on the site*. Furthermore, he said, Craigslist does not monitor the "erotic services" section of the site, and when his officers have attempted to contact Craigslist *they have been ignored or not gotten the kind of help they need*.
-- does the existence of the "erotic services" section result in an increased number of incidents of prostitution? I would think so... it certainly appears to provide an efficient and effective way of engaging in prostitution (at least some individuals would not have done it outside of craigslist) so how is this not knowingly promoting and facilitation prostitution?
-- craigslist's (too) long standing lame defense has been that if they got rid of that section, those ads would pop up elsewhere on craigslist... except that it would be much less efficient and effective than providing a centralized place for those ads and would thus result in less increase in prostitution...
-- and that's a red herring anyways because what craigslist provides in those sections is ADS, so they should screen those ads like advertisers are legally required to do... this is easily doable (a program that makes sure certain words are not mentioned in those ads -- nothing too sophisticated -- would accomplish the same function as the screeners employed by paper publications)
but that would take some time and money and craigslist appears to want to hold on to that money instead...
keeping those ads also appears to significantly increase the number of overall hits craigslist gets (and presumably attracts more advertisers to the pay sections)
-- EEF continues to miss the point... (willingly?): they keep talking non-sense about "freedom of speech"! those posts are just...ADS... they are in the advertisement segments of craigslist and as such should abide by legal requirements for ads... the posts in the craigslist FORUMS should definitely have the benefit of free speech (not that they always do, often a snap decision is made to move forum posts to the Isle of Misfits or delete them altogether...)
Delia
farhanmemon...
@ricksanchezcnn What your guest is essentially saying is that Craigslist and Craig Newmark are running a fence for prostitution.
craignewmark @ricksanchezcnn Some honesty regarding the Cook County thing: http://tinyurl.com/arvfb4
farhanmemon @craignewmark I think you're on shaky ground on this. You've set up a marketplace for human traffiking. The law may have to be changed.@craignewmark Read your "honest approach" Arg not compelling The facts on the ground: your system is being used for illegal underage sex@craignewmark True or false -- Prostitution is illegal? True or false -- CL has ads for prostitutes (True True).@craignewmark The law will shield digital media for only so long. Congress will get righteous and change the law esp. for human traffiking@craignewmark I have a law degree. Twit too short for analysis. Even if law shields you today may not continue as such if you don't clean up@craignewmark I'm defending VAWA immigrants against deportation. Know anyone in DHS?@craignewmark All I am saying is that CL is a marketplace for human traffiking like it or not. By creating "erotic" category you opened door@craignewmark Don't know anyone in power? You know the daddy mac...Obama.@LawProf You're right which is why CL needs to clean up act by policing erotic category.@craignewmark Your problem is following the advice of cops in good faith in one jurisdiction will not shield you from liability in another.@craignewmark Craig imagine your liability (you personally and CL) if a teenage prostitute gets murdered by a John who found her on CL?@craignewmark PS None of what I am saying should be thought of as legal advice. I'm sure you have plenty of lawyers working overtime.MORE: Twitter:
why do best things happen that odd day when you go to a wedding? (great developments on Twitter re:craigslist yesterday); we'll see if there is some spark left for today D
@ricksanchezcnn congratulation on your talk with Dart! (just saw the transcript) your Twitter reference gave a very different impression...D
STILL MORE: Twitter:
@ricksanchezcnn the question is whether or not craigslist is "knowingly promoting and facilitating prostitution"? http://tinyurl.com/8zdfft
EVEN MORE: Twitter:
is craigslist "knowingly promoting and facilitating prostitution"? http://tinyurl.com/8zdfft
MORE: it's disappointing to see how little critical thinking went into this article but on the positive side it does bring to light some good info (packaged neatly in all of two paragraphs...):
(8th and 9th paragraphs):
"Dart said the agreement between Craigslist and the attorneys general has resulted in *no appreciable reduction of ads for prostitution on the site*. Furthermore, he said, Craigslist does not monitor the "erotic services" section of the site, and when his officers have attempted to contact Craigslist *they have been ignored or not gotten the kind of help they need*.
Dart is asking a federal judge to order Craigslist to eliminate its "Erotic Services" section, where most prostitution ads are posted. He also is *seeking reimbursement for tax dollars spent* paying the salaries of officers who investigate and arrest those responsible for trafficking women on the Web site."
[my emphasis]
significant and telling misinformation: not mentioning the fact that we really don't know where the fees from the "erotic services" ads are going... (this should have been included in the 7th paragraph... as for presenting craigslist as "profit-adverse" (end of paragraph)... has this guy seen conservative estimates of craigslist's profits? doesn't look like it... D.
...
-- does the existence of the "erotic services" section result in an increased number of incidents of prostitution? I would think so... it certainly appears to provide an efficient and effective way of engaging in prostitution (at least some individuals would not have done it outside of craigslist) so how is this not knowingly promoting and facilitation prostitution?
-- craigslist's (too) long standing lame defense has been that if they got rid of that section, those ads would pop up elsewhere on craigslist... except that it would be much less efficient and effective than providing a centralized place for those ads and would thus result in less increase in prostitution...
-- and that's a red herring anyways because what craigslist provides in those sections is ADS, so they should screen those ads like advertisers are legally required to do... this is easily doable (a program that makes sure certain words are not mentioned in those ads -- nothing too sophisticated -- would accomplish the same function as the screeners employed by paper publications)
but that would take some time and money and craigslist appears to want to hold on to that money instead...
keeping those ads also appears to significantly increase the number of overall hits craigslist gets (and presumably attracts more advertisers to the pay sections)
-- EEF continues to miss the point... (willingly?): they keep talking non-sense about "freedom of speech"! those posts are just...ADS... they are in the advertisement segments of craigslist and as such should abide by legal requirements for ads... the posts in the craigslist FORUMS should definitely have the benefit of free speech (not that they always do, often a snap decision is made to move forum posts to the Isle of Misfits or delete them altogether...)
Delia
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