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(looks like they got that comment re: "craigslist criticism" on Craig's blog much higher on the list of top hits, as I think it should be.... -- it's currently lower than only two hits: my blog, and a link on The New York Time site Eileen helped with...)
Delia
P.S. and no, I haven't done anything to cause that... (aside from mentioning it on this blog)
P.P.S. looks like yahoo kept the old, flawed, order... D.
Showing posts with label Mark Rose. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Mark Rose. Show all posts
Sunday, November 4, 2007
Monday, June 4, 2007
is craigslist a "scheme"? I certainly *appears* to be...
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again, ALL I'm doing (on this blog and elsewhere I post in this respect) is put down what *I* see and try to give evidence for why things look that way to me... and, no, I'm not claiming I have access to the ultimate truth of the matter -- I think this will eventually surface for all to see but it may well take a very long time (things like refusing to disclose profits are making it very difficult if not impossible for ANYBODY to really know what's going on at the moment)
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again, ALL I'm doing (on this blog and elsewhere I post in this respect) is put down what *I* see and try to give evidence for why things look that way to me... and, no, I'm not claiming I have access to the ultimate truth of the matter -- I think this will eventually surface for all to see but it may well take a very long time (things like refusing to disclose profits are making it very difficult if not impossible for ANYBODY to really know what's going on at the moment)
Delia
Sunday, June 3, 2007
will he sell? (and what would happen if he did?)
Mark,
Sorry about the delay... (was away for the day). I disagree (re: deceit and a good PR game are often synonymous): there may be a fine line, but there is always a line.
If you are really interested in this, I suggest you take a look at his prior claims on the issue: he has repeatedly said for a long long time that he is not going to sell. He has asked for and accepted the community's help: people have helped *because* of that -- he is still getting free work based on that claim to this day.
I'm not familiar with the details in the case of Amazon but if they would have made anywhere in the range of claims Craig/craigslist has made, I think we would have heard about it. As far as I'm aware, Craigslist is a very special case as far as its history, claims and benefits derived from those claims. If Craig ends-up selling, I believe there would be enough evidence of fraud, for instance.
Delia
P.S. re: competitors; the way I see it, the centralized model for classifieds is breaking down (this model is what made craigslist a success): the new winners will be those who make best use of technology and *really* help their customers (craigslist does neither, it spends as little as it can get away with on customer service and improvements and appears to have no intention to change).
P.P. S. As to my blog, it's simply a chance put put down what I'm seeing and, no, I'm not affiliated with any groups. D.
Sorry about the delay... (was away for the day). I disagree (re: deceit and a good PR game are often synonymous): there may be a fine line, but there is always a line.
If you are really interested in this, I suggest you take a look at his prior claims on the issue: he has repeatedly said for a long long time that he is not going to sell. He has asked for and accepted the community's help: people have helped *because* of that -- he is still getting free work based on that claim to this day.
I'm not familiar with the details in the case of Amazon but if they would have made anywhere in the range of claims Craig/craigslist has made, I think we would have heard about it. As far as I'm aware, Craigslist is a very special case as far as its history, claims and benefits derived from those claims. If Craig ends-up selling, I believe there would be enough evidence of fraud, for instance.
Delia
P.S. re: competitors; the way I see it, the centralized model for classifieds is breaking down (this model is what made craigslist a success): the new winners will be those who make best use of technology and *really* help their customers (craigslist does neither, it spends as little as it can get away with on customer service and improvements and appears to have no intention to change).
P.P. S. As to my blog, it's simply a chance put put down what I'm seeing and, no, I'm not affiliated with any groups. D.
Saturday, June 2, 2007
the cash cow that's already monetized... not selling *right now*... and such
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Mark, I agree... but I'm afraid this goes way beyond PR -- it has deceit written all over it! D.
UPDATE: the post below is a "streamlined" version of the one I posted on Mark's blog (not displaying yet): I seemed to have crammed too much info in that one... this should be clearer
follow-up for Mark:
Mark,
There would have been no problem whatsoever with "living comfortably" -- however comfortably he could legally manage -- would he had been upfront about wanting to make money... would he had not asked for and accepted loads of community help for a very long time before turning for profit...
There is a big burden on the community that made craigslist what it is and has to make do with rudimentary customer service and very few improvements... because Craig/craigslist keeps talking the grand talk and quietly pocketing the money... instead of spending it on customer service and improvements...
The *really* "shrewd strategy" would be ... to do exactly what he appears to try to do: maximize profits in the long run and milk craigslist for as much as he can at the moment... (while keeping long term profits in mind: plenty of things that could bring money in now, would be a bad idea in the long run).
It's just that... people are bound to wake up at some point and serious competition is starting to show up. So... yeah... I think he may well end-up selling, although he's been saying no, no, no... hell no! for a very long time...
Delia
P.S. anyways, at least you find it conceivable that although he's been pretty much swearing he would never do it, he might in fact sell -- meaning you are NOT a groupie, like so many of those writing about Craig/craigslist appear to be... take care!:) D.
Hi Mark!
I'm just wondering what you thought of Craig's answer to the would-you-ever-sell question from the audience: "*Right now*... [my emphasis] we are just not interested in selling..."
Delia
P.S. oh...and the cash cow is already monetized to the tune of 50-70 mills in estimated profits (while customer service continues to be severely understaffed...) D.
Mark, I agree... but I'm afraid this goes way beyond PR -- it has deceit written all over it! D.
UPDATE: the post below is a "streamlined" version of the one I posted on Mark's blog (not displaying yet): I seemed to have crammed too much info in that one... this should be clearer
follow-up for Mark:
Mark,
There would have been no problem whatsoever with "living comfortably" -- however comfortably he could legally manage -- would he had been upfront about wanting to make money... would he had not asked for and accepted loads of community help for a very long time before turning for profit...
There is a big burden on the community that made craigslist what it is and has to make do with rudimentary customer service and very few improvements... because Craig/craigslist keeps talking the grand talk and quietly pocketing the money... instead of spending it on customer service and improvements...
The *really* "shrewd strategy" would be ... to do exactly what he appears to try to do: maximize profits in the long run and milk craigslist for as much as he can at the moment... (while keeping long term profits in mind: plenty of things that could bring money in now, would be a bad idea in the long run).
It's just that... people are bound to wake up at some point and serious competition is starting to show up. So... yeah... I think he may well end-up selling, although he's been saying no, no, no... hell no! for a very long time...
Delia
P.S. anyways, at least you find it conceivable that although he's been pretty much swearing he would never do it, he might in fact sell -- meaning you are NOT a groupie, like so many of those writing about Craig/craigslist appear to be... take care!:) D.
Hi Mark!
I'm just wondering what you thought of Craig's answer to the would-you-ever-sell question from the audience: "*Right now*... [my emphasis] we are just not interested in selling..."
Delia
P.S. oh...and the cash cow is already monetized to the tune of 50-70 mills in estimated profits (while customer service continues to be severely understaffed...) D.
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