Hi Lucas!
you are on the right track... (noticing slippery ambiguities)
Delia
P.S. keep up the good job and take care!
Sunday, January 7, 2007
all that fluff...
UPDATE: Craig claims I'm *stalking* him? yeah, right....
Amy,
Sorry I took it literally... (I actually thought you meant it that way) No big deal... If you personally believe Craig is fantastic, I don't see anything wrong with that! I would just suggest that you don't allow that to blind you to the facts of the issue when you write about craigslist... Having said that, it seems to be a wide spread problem so... no need to be too tough on yourself!
Delia
P.S. As to *my* stalking Craig... somebody tell this guy to stop reading my comments if he feels "stalked"! (he's got much much worse problems to deal with...) D.
Hi Amy!
re: "I hit him up with some confronting and hard hitting questions...
He chose to ignore those and went for the fluff option"
now, why doesn't that surprise me...
Delia
P.S. Please let me know if you *ever* get him to answer the non-fluff stuff and take care! D.
Amy,
Sorry I took it literally... (I actually thought you meant it that way) No big deal... If you personally believe Craig is fantastic, I don't see anything wrong with that! I would just suggest that you don't allow that to blind you to the facts of the issue when you write about craigslist... Having said that, it seems to be a wide spread problem so... no need to be too tough on yourself!
Delia
P.S. As to *my* stalking Craig... somebody tell this guy to stop reading my comments if he feels "stalked"! (he's got much much worse problems to deal with...) D.
Hi Amy!
re: "I hit him up with some confronting and hard hitting questions...
He chose to ignore those and went for the fluff option"
now, why doesn't that surprise me...
Delia
P.S. Please let me know if you *ever* get him to answer the non-fluff stuff and take care! D.
Friday, January 5, 2007
another dewy-eyed podcast
EVEN MORE:
Rick's part 1 and Rick's part 2 (the promised comment on his reply)
MORE:
Rick,
Well... it may have just been too much to read (your main points make me think you didn't read the stuff). So I'm not sure I helped much (doesn't look like it) but ... you are welcome just that same!
Delia
P.S. there will be a comment to your reply on my blog for the benefit of others (and yours, of course, in case you choose to read it)
P.P.S. otherwise, good luck with everything... and take care! D.
MORE: seemed to have been a problem with the comments form (we'll see if it posts)
Rick:
You are welcome! and they were actually well meant (sorry if they may have come across as too critical).
You mean you checked-out http://www.lime.com/? No, you wouldn't find anything negative there (that's not the reason I recommended it); sorry if it wasn't clear.
I was saying that they appear to have removed from their site (after I posted a comment) their "Craig on Craigslist podcast," in which Chris (something), community manager at LIME (if I remember right) interviewed Craig in the context of craigslist being a "good company."
I would consider that (removing the podcast from their site) as highly "negative," but I could be wrong, of course...
Delia
P.S. IF you are interested in what I mean by "the facts," feel free to checkout my craigslist criticism blog! http://www.craigslistcriticism.blogspot.com/I'd start with the oldest post -- tells you what it's all about...among the latter ones, a good portion are part of an ongoing comment exchange on the online New York Times that you may find of interest (here is a representative one:
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.co.../#comment- 31893
otherwise, take care! D.
here
Hi Rick!
I suggest you take a good look at the facts… maybe get together with the people at LIME (http://www.lime.com/) and figure out just how “well” craigslist is really doing and whether or not it is a “good company” (I’d ask for their “Craig on Craigslist” podcast that appears to no longer be available (http://www.lime.com/podcasts/lime_daily_audio/limepodcast/6482/craig_on_craigs_list#comment_form) – you can find what was my comment to it on my craigslist criticism blog: http://craigslistcriticism.blogspot.com/2006/12/craig-is-asking-for-stuff-that-doesnt.html).
Good luck with everything and take care!
Delia
Rick's part 1 and Rick's part 2 (the promised comment on his reply)
MORE:
Rick,
Well... it may have just been too much to read (your main points make me think you didn't read the stuff). So I'm not sure I helped much (doesn't look like it) but ... you are welcome just that same!
Delia
P.S. there will be a comment to your reply on my blog for the benefit of others (and yours, of course, in case you choose to read it)
P.P.S. otherwise, good luck with everything... and take care! D.
MORE: seemed to have been a problem with the comments form (we'll see if it posts)
Rick:
You are welcome! and they were actually well meant (sorry if they may have come across as too critical).
You mean you checked-out http://www.lime.com/? No, you wouldn't find anything negative there (that's not the reason I recommended it); sorry if it wasn't clear.
I was saying that they appear to have removed from their site (after I posted a comment) their "Craig on Craigslist podcast," in which Chris (something), community manager at LIME (if I remember right) interviewed Craig in the context of craigslist being a "good company."
I would consider that (removing the podcast from their site) as highly "negative," but I could be wrong, of course...
Delia
P.S. IF you are interested in what I mean by "the facts," feel free to checkout my craigslist criticism blog! http://www.craigslistcriticism.blogspot.com/I'd start with the oldest post -- tells you what it's all about...among the latter ones, a good portion are part of an ongoing comment exchange on the online New York Times that you may find of interest (here is a representative one:
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.co.../#comment- 31893
otherwise, take care! D.
here
Hi Rick!
I suggest you take a good look at the facts… maybe get together with the people at LIME (http://www.lime.com/) and figure out just how “well” craigslist is really doing and whether or not it is a “good company” (I’d ask for their “Craig on Craigslist” podcast that appears to no longer be available (http://www.lime.com/podcasts/lime_daily_audio/limepodcast/6482/craig_on_craigs_list#comment_form) – you can find what was my comment to it on my craigslist criticism blog: http://craigslistcriticism.blogspot.com/2006/12/craig-is-asking-for-stuff-that-doesnt.html).
Good luck with everything and take care!
Delia
Thursday, January 4, 2007
Craig's note takers...
UPDATE:
ok... looks like it's been over 24 hours and it's not posted; well... they didn't really need to post it (it's good enough that they got the message...hopefully...) D.
funky site... not sure what's up with the odd comment submission form -- it *looked* like I submitted it, they are saying it takes up to 24 hours to post, hasn't been that long but... here it is:
Michael, you sound like a nice guy but...good God! why aren't you asking this guy some real questions? this is supposed to be an interview, right? How come it reads like you are taking notes of what Craig is telling you?
ok... looks like it's been over 24 hours and it's not posted; well... they didn't really need to post it (it's good enough that they got the message...hopefully...) D.
funky site... not sure what's up with the odd comment submission form -- it *looked* like I submitted it, they are saying it takes up to 24 hours to post, hasn't been that long but... here it is:
Michael, you sound like a nice guy but...good God! why aren't you asking this guy some real questions? this is supposed to be an interview, right? How come it reads like you are taking notes of what Craig is telling you?
Wednesday, January 3, 2007
(more comments on) New York Times article
here
sorry about the delay (was away for the day)
Yeah, Valentin, that's the spiel (you've summed it up pretty well) -- I'm just not sure that's the truth... Doesn't seem to add-up...
Bee: Why I'm so bent on the truth... for one thing, if it came out that they have been making in the millions for years as it appears to be (money that went straight into Craig and Jim's pockets instead of paying for things like customer service and improvements, which would have happened would craigslist have *stayed* non-profit) something tells me that the vast majority of those... souls... (toiling away in the feedback forum)... would be kicking themselves! and would be right to do so...
Delia
Those are positive externalities, Eric (not the meat of the issue) -- look at craigslist' history & their claims, also look at the impact of those unverifiable (as long as they refuse to disclose their profits) claims on the way people continue to perceive craigslist (and the resultant growth rates) and let's not forget the poor souls toiling away in the feedback forum and such trying to help out... -- at a minimum, *they* are owed the truth! D.
sorry about the delay (was away for the day)
Yeah, Valentin, that's the spiel (you've summed it up pretty well) -- I'm just not sure that's the truth... Doesn't seem to add-up...
Bee: Why I'm so bent on the truth... for one thing, if it came out that they have been making in the millions for years as it appears to be (money that went straight into Craig and Jim's pockets instead of paying for things like customer service and improvements, which would have happened would craigslist have *stayed* non-profit) something tells me that the vast majority of those... souls... (toiling away in the feedback forum)... would be kicking themselves! and would be right to do so...
Delia
Those are positive externalities, Eric (not the meat of the issue) -- look at craigslist' history & their claims, also look at the impact of those unverifiable (as long as they refuse to disclose their profits) claims on the way people continue to perceive craigslist (and the resultant growth rates) and let's not forget the poor souls toiling away in the feedback forum and such trying to help out... -- at a minimum, *they* are owed the truth! D.
Monday, January 1, 2007
Nancy Melone...
(listed as CEO on the craigslist site up to April 1999)
...is one interesting piece of the puzzle!
just listen... it’s September 1999…
"Metrovox is the creator of the new ListFoundation site, which Melone says is also trying to build grassroots success by letting visitors post classified-like advertisements from major cities around the country. The difference is that by October, Metrovox will charge companies from $25 to $40 to post job openings for a month, dedicating part of the profits to charity."
Well... doesn't that sound a lot more "philanthropic" than craigslist ended-up being? At the time, the press presented her as "the bad guy" yet craigslist ended-up being a lot more for profit than Nancy ever intended! -- isn't it odd that the press doesn't seem to mind that?
Delia
P.S. Nancy didn't seem to understand that you CAN’T charge for a good long while (if you want to have significant growth); Craig never had any trouble grasping that (he pretty much spells it out in a couple of the interviews) --*could* be because he planned it all along…
...is one interesting piece of the puzzle!
just listen... it’s September 1999…
"Metrovox is the creator of the new ListFoundation site, which Melone says is also trying to build grassroots success by letting visitors post classified-like advertisements from major cities around the country. The difference is that by October, Metrovox will charge companies from $25 to $40 to post job openings for a month, dedicating part of the profits to charity."
Well... doesn't that sound a lot more "philanthropic" than craigslist ended-up being? At the time, the press presented her as "the bad guy" yet craigslist ended-up being a lot more for profit than Nancy ever intended! -- isn't it odd that the press doesn't seem to mind that?
Delia
P.S. Nancy didn't seem to understand that you CAN’T charge for a good long while (if you want to have significant growth); Craig never had any trouble grasping that (he pretty much spells it out in a couple of the interviews) --*could* be because he planned it all along…
2007 bonus: craigslist's Achilles' heel
... or why continuing to operate on a shoestring while a large number of illegal ads are on the site is such a bad idea:
-- like any other business on the web, craigslist is legally required to remove illegal postings from their site (once they are brought to their attention)
-- so nothing would stop interest groups (like the fair housing one, for instance) from gathering a huge number of illegal postings, sending the info in to the severely understaffed "craigslist customer service team" (and keeping good records of it) and waiting whatever the reasonable time for removal would be... THEN filing a lawsuit! (on the basis that craigslist didn't remove the illegal postings within a reasonable time of being made aware of them)
Delia
-- like any other business on the web, craigslist is legally required to remove illegal postings from their site (once they are brought to their attention)
-- so nothing would stop interest groups (like the fair housing one, for instance) from gathering a huge number of illegal postings, sending the info in to the severely understaffed "craigslist customer service team" (and keeping good records of it) and waiting whatever the reasonable time for removal would be... THEN filing a lawsuit! (on the basis that craigslist didn't remove the illegal postings within a reasonable time of being made aware of them)
Delia
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